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On The Nature Of Hadith Collections Of Imam Al-Bukhari &Muslim

On The Nature Of Hadith Collections Of Imam Al-Bukhari & Muslim

Khalid al-Khazraji, Muhammad Ghoniem & M S M Saifullah

Islamic Awareness, All Rights Reserved.

First Composed: 3rd September 1999

Last Modified: 24th August 2005

Assalamu-`alaykum wa rahamatullahi wa barakatuhu:

1. Introduction

Over the years, Christian missionaries have solidified their reputation for embracingzealous new recruits. One fresh addition to this delegation of holy servicemen is theneophyte, Andrew Vargo. More often than not, the missionaries have overlooked theacademic backgrounds of these fresh recruits, apparently intoxicated by theirimpassioned hatred for Islam. Mr. Vargo has recently tried his hand as a student ofcomparative religion, introducing some of the most fantastic ideas yet to thediscourse. Among these ideas is a ratherboastful claim concerning the collection ofahadith by the great Muslim scholar, Imam al-Bukhari (d. 256 AH). The highlight of

Vargo's claim lies in the following:

In fact, it is difficult, in spite of the Muslim "science" of Hadith to know whichtraditions are strong or weak! For example, Bukhari collected over 600,000 reports,

but kept only 7,397 as true!

This is one of the most popular claims concerning the vast collection ofahadith of al-Bukhari in the Christian missionary literature and comes with fanciful explanations.For example, Anis Shorrosh, a well-known Arab missionary, says:

... Bukhari, collected twenty thousand of them, of which he rejected ten thousand,accounting them untrue. Of the remaining ten thousand he accepted only 7,275,

declaring the rest to be untrustworthy. Abu Da'ud accepted as authentic only 4,800rules out 50,000.[1]
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Similarly we find Norman Geisler and Abdul Saleeb claiming that:

...Bukhari, considered to be the most reliable collector, admitted that of the 300,000hadith he collected, he considered only 100,000 might be true. He then narrowedthis number down to 7,275, many of which are repetitions so that the total number isin fact near 3,000. That means that even he admitted there were errors in over

295,000 of them![2]

Nearly a similar statement is repeated by Geisler in his Baker Encyclopedia OfChristian Apologetics to cast doubts on the miracles performed by the ProphetMuhammad.[3] Abdiyah Akbar Abdul-Haqq, on the other hand, labels what al-Bukhari did not include in his collection as "apocryphal".

As to the abundance of the apocryphal traditions, we learn that the famous authorityal-Bukhari choose only 7,000 out of a host of 600,000 traditions that were current inhis on time.[4]

Similar statements were made by John Ankerberg and John Weldon, who quoted a"Muslim scholar".[5]

Not surprising is the case ofRand Corporation, who have published an interestingreport on Islam entitled "Civil Democratic Islam: Partners, Resources, andStrategies". The report has two fold agenda: firstly, to try to create a version of Islamthat suits the post-9/11 Western agenda and secondly encouraging creation ofdivisions in the Muslim society at home and abroad. The Rand Report's recipe toachieve this aim is to encourage and promote the so-called modernist Muslims andplay one section of the society against another to split the Muslim society. A smallexample of it can be seen when the report uses the material from the hadith-rejectors(not surprisingly!) to claim "objectively" that:

Even if that were not the case, objectively speaking, there is little doubt that hadith isat best a dubious, flawed instrument. Consider that Al-Bukhari is the compiler of

what is generally considered to be the most authoritative and reliable collections ofhadith. He collected 600,000 hadith, examined them for their authenticity,eliminated all but 7,600 of them, deleted some for redundancy, and was left with acollection of about 4,000.[6]

As we shall see, feisty statements such as the above only prove to be self-defeating inthe end. This article intends to examine missionaries' thesis in light of thescholarship of Imam al-Bukhari, and thereby ascertain the actual worth of theirclaim.

To appreciate the broader perspective, we will also include a discussion of Imam

Muslim's ahadith collection, insha'allah.

2. Imam Bukhari & The Nature Of His Collection

Vargo, Shorrosh, Geisler, Abdul Saleeb, Abdul-Haqq and Benard have practicallybegged the question for us already - where exactly did Imam al-Bukhari mention thatamong the 600,000 ahadith in his collection, only 7,397 are to be accepted as 'true'?They maintains the missionary tradition of conveniently omitting any references that

would not support their thesis; the mark of a true academicians, indeed! Once again,it is left to the Muslims to enlighten the ill-informed missionaries on this matter.

Imam al-Bukhari's actual words have been reproduced below:
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* The two sahih collections did not gather the totality of the authentic ahadith as

proved by al-Bukhari's testimony: "I have not included in my bookal-Jami` but whatis authentic, and I left out among the authentic for fear of [excessive] length.(Footnote 2)"

Footnote 2 says:

He [al-Bukhari] meant that he did not mention all the turuq [parallel chains oftransmission] for each and everyhadith.[7]

To reiterate this in elementary English, Imam al-Bukhari selected only a fewauthentic ahadith from his vast collection. However, he left out certain traditions,despite their authenticity, simply to avoid excessive length and repetition in his Al-Jami` (a discussion about which is given below). If anything, the privilege to make

such a gesture is highly complimentary to the authenticity of the Islamic traditions.In another tradition, Imam al-Bukhari is also reported to have said:

He said, I heard as-Sa`dani say, I heard some of our companions say, MuhammadIbn Ismaìl said: I selected/published [the content of] this book - meaning theSahih

book - from about 600,000 hadiths/reports. Abu Sa`d al-Malini informed us thatÀbdullah Ibn Ùdayy informed us: I heard al-Hasan Ibn al-Husayn al-Bukhari say:"I have not included in my bookal-Jami` but what is authentic, and I left out amongthe authentic what I could not get hold of."[8]

The above quotation reflects Imam al-Bukhari's gallant honesty to admit that he wasnot able to collect each and every authentic tradition that existed in his day. Rather,his Al-Jami` is only a partial collection of authentic traditions, despite its massive

volume. Furthermore, it should be clarified for the missionaries that the notion of apartial collection of authentic material is quite different from the notion of a partiallyauthentic collection of material. However, it is not our aim to offer a course on


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propositional reasoning. Thus, we leave the point with the hope that they willeventually comprehend this piece of preschool logic.

Professor Mustafa al-Azami, who offered a devastating critique of Joseph Schacht'swork, again clarifies the misunderstanding of many orientalists on this issue:

Al-Bukhari did not claim that what he left out were the spurious, nor that there wereno authentic traditions outside his collection. On the contrary he said, "I onlyincluded in my bookal-Jami` those that were authentic, and I left out many moreauthentic traditions than this to avoid unnecessary length." He had no intention ofcollecting all the authentic traditions. He only wanted to compile a manual ofhadith,according to the wishes of his Shaikh Ishaq b. Rahwaih, and his function is quiteclear from the title of his bookal-Jami` al-Musnad al-Sahih al-Mukhtasar minumur Rasul Allah wa Sunanhi wa ayyamih. The word al-Mukhtasar, 'epitome', itselfexplains that al-Bukhari did not make any attempt at a comprehensive collection.[9]

Yet, the missionaries seem to be living under the delusion that the 600,000 ahadithof Imam al-Bukhari's collection somehow means 600,000 separate narrations or

bodies of text. His sloppy study of this issue becomes clear when one learns that ahadith is comprised of both a text (matn) and a chain of transmission (isnad). In thescience of hadith, the same text with ten chains of transmission is regarded not asone hadith but rather as ten hadiths, despite the fact that the text attached to eachchain is the same in every case.

Professor Mustafa al-Azami adds:

Now it is clear that when traditionalists give enormous numbers for the traditions,they mean channels and sources of their transmission, and do not mean realnumbers ofhadith.[10]

Nabia Abbott, a prominent orientalist who conducted an extensive study on hadithliterature, observed that the phenomenal growth of the corpus of this literature is notdue to growth in content but due to progressive increase in the parallel and multiplechains of transmission, i.e., isnads:

... the traditions of Muhammad as transmitted by his Companions and theirSuccessors were, as a rule, scrupulously scrutinised at each step of the transmission,and that the so called phenomenal growth of Tradition in the second and thirdcenturies of Islam was not primarily growth of content, so far as the hadith ofMuhammad and the hadith of the Companions are concerned, but represents largelythe progressive increase in parallel and multiple chains of transmission.[11]

Take a highly simplified example of one Companion narrating a single hadith from

the Prophet to two students: these students themselves teaching that narration againto two pupils each and so on until we reach the time of al-Bukhari and hiscontemporaries. We will find that in al-Bukhari's generation at least 16 individuals

will be hearing the hadith from their respective teachers. Because each individualchain of transmission counts as a separate hadith, what started out as a singlenarration transmitted by one Companion only, has evolved within a short period oftime to 16 ahadith; an increase of 1600%. The true nature of affairs, however, beingfar greater, with a far greater number of Companions transmitting a far greaternumber of narrations to a far greater number of students. This then is the form in

which proliferation took place, the dispersion of narrators and chains oftransmission. Using the mathematical application of geometric progression, Nabia

Abbott concludes:
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... using geometric progression, we find that one to two thousand Companions andsenior Successors transmitting two to five traditions each would bring us well withinthe range of the total number of traditions credited to the exhaustive collections ofthe third century. Once it is realised that the isnad did, indeed, initiate a chainreaction that resulted in an explosive increase in the number of traditions, the huge

numbers that are credited to Ibn Hanbal, Muslim and Bukhari seem not so fantasticafter all.[12]

The implications of explosive increase in of the isnadis dealt with here.

3. Imam Muslim & The Nature Of His Collection

Imam Muslim along the similar lines to that of Imam al-Bukhari , is reported to havesaid:

The translation of which is:

[...]. Imam Muslim said: "I have not included in my present book any thing but withproof [regarding authenticity] , and I have not left out anything but with proof". Healso said: I did not include everything that I judge authentic/Sahih, I only included

what received a unanimous agreement, i.e., what fulfilled all the criteria ofauthenticity agreed upon[by the scholars].

And Muslim has presented [his collection] to the scholars of his time, like Imam AbuZar`ah, and retained what was void of defect, and left out what had some defect.[13]

From the above quotation, it is clear that Imam Muslim's collection is also a partialcollection of authentic material and not a partially authentic collection of material.He followed a certain set of criteria that demanded a proof for the inclusion of eachand everyhadith in his collection.

4. Conclusions

Imam al-Bukhari's collection ofahadith was maintained to be authentic on accountof his authority, and it has been maintained as authentic ever since. Themissionaries' assertion, that Imam al-Bukhari regarded almost 99% of his owncollection as spurious, is among the most rash and foolhardy statements ever dared

by Christian missionaries. On the contrary, the 7,397 refers to the number ofhadithsthat Imam al-Bukhari chose to include in his Al-Jami` and left out many authenticnarrations from his vast collection for the fear of excessive length.

Again, according to the Vargo:

In fact, it is difficult, in spite of the Muslim "science" of Hadith to know whichtraditions are strong or weak!

We should wonder whether the neophyte is as quick to demonstrate the same puerileenthusiasm over the question of his own religious texts. Regardless, we will quote the
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famous trial of Imam al-Bukhari to show howmaqlub[14] (changed, reversed)ahadith can be identified with ease by a scholar ofhadith:

The famous trial of al-Bukhari by the scholars of Baghdad provides a good exampleof aMaqlubisnad. The traditionists, in order to test their visitor, al-Bukhari,appointed ten men, each with ten ahadith. Now, each hadith (text) of these ten

people was prefixed with the isnadof another. Imam al-Bukhari listened to each ofthe ten men as they narrated their ahadith and denied the correctness of everyhadith. When they had finished narrating these ahadith, he addressed each person inturn and recounted to him each of his ahadith with its correct isnad. This trialearned him great honour among the scholars of Baghdad.[15]

Finally, it is worth citing a significant trend in modern Western scholarship of theProphetic traditions of Islam. For the past several decades, criticism of thesetraditions has been the Orientalist's whipping post, an opportunity to invalidate thetraditions of Islam, which culminated in the work of Joseph Schacht, mentionedearlier. However, this position has practically been reversed in recent times, with the

advent of academic honesty on the part of Western scholars. Professor John Espositoof Georgetown University has made the following counter-criticism of Schacht'straditional position:

Accepting Schacht's conclusion regarding the many traditions he did examine doesnot warrant its automatic extension to all the traditions. To consider all Prophetictraditions apocryphal until proven otherwise is to reverse the burden of proof.Moreover, even where differences of opinion exist regarding the authenticity of thechain of narrators, they need not detract from the authenticity of a tradition's contentand common acceptance of the importance of tradition literature as a record of theearly history and development of Islamic belief and practice.[16]

The position of Esposito perhaps reflects the growing attitude among Westerneducational institutions that entertain any study of Islam and its traditions. This issimply evidenced by the fact that Professor Esposito has become one of the reigningauthorities on Islam in the West, whose textbooks are considered universitystandards for courses on Islam.

Considering the missionaries' abuse ofhadiths to denigrate the Prophet(P) of Islam, itwould be too generous to assume that Vargo, Shorrosh, Geisler and Abdul Saleeb"misunderstood" the nature of the collection of Imam al-Bukhari. As for the RandCorporation's report, their "objectivity" lies in the unverified use of source material.

An honest misunderstanding entails at least some understanding of the issue, whichdoesn't even seem to be their case. Perhaps the Christian missionaries might

consider beginning a genuine study of the science of hadithbefore they embarrassesthemselves further.

Acknowledgements

We would like to thank Abu Hudhayfah for providing us necessary help and allowingus to use his material.

And Allah knows best!

References

[1] Dr. A. A. Shorrosh, Islam Revealed: A Christian Arab's View Of Islam, 1988,

Thomas Nelson Publishers: Nashville, p. 22.
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[2] N. L. Geisler & A. Saleeb, Answering Islam: The Crescent In The Light Of TheCross, 1993, Baker Books: Grand Rapids (MI), p. 165.

[3] "Muhammad, Alleged Miracles Of", in N. L. Geisler, Baker Encyclopedia OfChristian Apologetics, 2002, Baker Books: Grand Rapids (MI), p. 512.

[4] A. A. Abdul-Haqq, Sharing Your Faith With A Muslim, 1980, Bethany HousePublications: Minneapolis, p. 45.

[5] J. Ankerberg & J. Weldon, Fast Facts On Islam, 2001, Harvest House Publishers:Eugene (OR), pp. 50-51.

[6] C. Benard, "Civil Democratic Islam: Partners, Resources, and Strategies", 2003,Rand Corporation, p. 67.

[7] Muhammad Ajaj al-Khatib, Al-Mukhtasar al-Wajiz fi Ùlum al-Hadith, 1991,Mu'assasat al-Risalah, p. 135.

[8] Abi Bakr Ahmad Ibn Àli al-Khatib al-Baghdadi, Tarikh Baghdad Aw Madinahas-Salam, 1931 (1349 AH), Volume II, Maktabat al-Khanji, Cairo & Al-Maktabah al-

Àrabiyyah, Baghdad and Matba'at as-S'adah near the State Department, Cairo, pp.8-9.

[9] M. M. al-Azami, Studies In Early Hadith Literature, 1992, American TrustPublications: Indianapolis (USA), pp. 305-306.

[10] ibid., p. 306.

[11] N. Abbott,Studies In Arabic Literary Papyri, Volume II [Qur'anic Commentary &Tradition], 1967, University Of Chicago Press: Chicago (USA), p. 2.

[12] ibid., p. 72.

[13] Al-Imam Muhyee ad-Din Abi Zakariyya Yahya bin Sharaf al-Nawawi, Sahih

Muslim Bi Sharh al-Imam al-Nawawi, Volume I, 1994/1414, Dar al-Khair, p. 1.

[14] Ahadith is known as maqlub (changed, reversed) when its isnadis grafted to adifferent text or vice versa, or if a reporter happens to reverse the order of a sentencein the text.

[15] S. Hasan, An Introduction To The Science Of Hadith, 1995, DarussalamPublishers: Riyadh (Saudi Arabia) availableonline, quote taken from here.

[16] J. Esposito, Islam: The Straight Path, 1998, Oxford University Press, p. 81.

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Q&A with Anti Hadeeth

Here are a few common questions raised by Anti Hadeeth and the answers for ourgood reference

Question 1I must give credit to this Rahman guy from celcom. He is a very smart. I'm not talking abouthis interpretation/understanding of the religion, but his cunning move of leading this whole

polemic into linguistic issue.I find this very interesting, and can't wait what the other partyhas to say.
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which are scientifically absurd. The Hadith mentions there being a cure for every ailment inblack cumin seed [Hadith 591, pg.400, vol 7]. This is evidently not true. Can it cure cancer orAIDS, not to mention even the common cold?Please bear in mind that the list of diseases known to the people of Mekkah and Madinah atthat time is NOT THE SAME as list of diseases known to us. The Hadeeth was meant for the

consumption of the people of makkah and madinah of that time.All this was before we discovered antibiotics.d. Hadith suggests that we drink "camel-urine" to recuperate after an illness [Hadith 590,

pg.399, vol.7]. This is disgusting, naturally speaking. Urine is toxic stuff. The Koran placesextreme importance on cleanliness and clean eating (tayyab).If any it only exhibits the miracle of the Prophet Mohd SAW. The hadeeth DOES NOTsuggest anyone to drink camel-urine to cure illness. The camel urine drinking incident onlyhappens that one time.e. The Hadith mentions that "fever" is from the "heat of hell" [Hadith 621,622, page 417, vol7]. Atrocious!Thats because it was a common saying at that time that when someone is having a high

fever, he is having a heat from hell. It was just a local saying at that time. Nothing to betaken in literal.

f.The Hadith books insult the prophet by giving him a contradictory personality. In oneinstance it mentions that the prophet ate with a leper and in another it mentions that herefused to meet with a leper who had come to take allegiance at his hand and accept Islam.He told the man to leave and accepted his allegiance in absentia.I have not seen this hadeeth yet. Can u quote me please

g. The famous Hadith about the fly: "If a fly falls into the vessel of any of you, let him dip allof it (in the vessel) and then throw it away [and use the material in the vessel], for in one ofits wings there is a disease and in the other there is a healing [Bukhari, Hadith 673, pg. 452,vol 7]Beware world, there is going to be an outbreak of typhoid and cholera if people take theabove as "Hadith-truth", just like "gospel truth" made some people get castrated just becauseit reports Jesus saying, "....and there are some who make themselves eunuchs for theKingdom of God." Beware these myths can harm you!Sheikh Yusuf Qardhawi in his famous book Al fatawa al maasirah has explained thishadeeth. He quoted a research from a Professor in University of Alexandria on extraction ofantidote from flies. Please read his answer cause its very interesting

h. According to Hanbel 6/136, 192,213, the prophet "Never urinated in a standing position."However Bukhari in his "authentic" book of Hadith says that the prophet indeed urinated in a

standing position. (Bukhari 4/60-64)I will have to get back to you on this cause Ive never met this contradiction of the hadeethyet.Question 5

bananaeel wrote:Menurut sebuah hadith, (kononnya) Nabi Muhammad bersabda, "Umatku akan berpecahkepada 73 kumpulan dan kesemua kumpulan ini akan masuk neraka kecuali satu kumpulan".

Hadith translation : "My community will be divided into 73 sects and each of them will endup in Hell save one".Again another confusion caused by ignorance of the Arabic language. Arabs uses the word

seventy to mean numerous.Question 6:


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using alternatives like tribunals. This method is called alternative dispute resolution,which for Muslims is what the sharia courts are."

The disclosure that Muslim courts have legal powers in Britain comes seven monthsafter Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, was pilloried for suggestingthat the establishment of sharia in the future "seems unavoidable" in Britain.

In July, the head of the judiciary, the lord chief justice, Lord Phillips, further stokedcontroversy when he said that sharia could be used to settle marital and financialdisputes.

In fact, Muslim tribunal courts started passing sharia judgments in August 2007.They have dealt with more than 100 cases that range from Muslim divorce andinheritance to nuisance neighbours.

It has also emerged that tribunal courts have settled six cases of domestic violencebetween married couples, working in tandem with the police investigations.

Siddiqi said he expected the courts to handle a greater number of "smaller" criminal

cases in coming years as more Muslim clients approach them. "All we are doing isregulating community affairs in these cases," said Siddiqi, chairman of the governingcouncil of the tribunal.

Jewish Beth Din courts operate under the same provision in the Arbitration Act andresolve civil cases, ranging from divorce to business disputes. They have existed inBritain for more than 100 years, and previously operated under a precursor to theact.

Politicians and church leaders expressed concerns that this could mark thebeginnings of a "parallel legal system" based on sharia for some British Muslims.

Dominic Grieve, the shadow home secretary, said: "If it is true that these tribunals

are passing binding decisions in the areas of family and criminal law, I would like toknow which courts are enforcing them because I would consider such actionunlawful. British law is absolute and must remain so."

Douglas Murray, the director of the Centre for Social Cohesion, said: "I think it'sappalling. I don't think arbitration that is done by sharia should ever be endorsed orenforced by the British state."

There are concerns that women who agree to go to tribunal courts are getting worsedeals because Islamic law favours men.

Siddiqi said that in a recent inheritance dispute handled by the court in Nuneaton,the estate of a Midlands man was divided between three daughters and two sons.

The judges on the panel gave the sons twice as much as the daughters, in accordancewith sharia. Had the family gone to a normal British court, the daughters would havegot equal amounts.

In the six cases of domestic violence, Siddiqi said the judges ordered the husbands totake anger management classes and mentoring from community elders. There wasno further punishment.

In each case, the women subsequently withdrew the complaints they had lodged withthe police and the police stopped their investigations.

Siddiqi said that in the domestic violence cases, the advantage was that marriages

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Inayat Bunglawala, assistant secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said:"The MCB supports these tribunals. If the Jewish courts are allowed to flourish, somust the sharia ones."

Additional reporting: Helen Brooks

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Zaharuddin Rahman Response to Raja Petra's Article on Tudung

Debat Tudung Wanita : Jawapan Kepada Artikel Raja Petra (Malaysia today) TheGreat Tudung Debate : A Respond to Raja Petra's Article Zaharuddin AbdRahmanThis writing is a response to Raja Petra Kamaruddin about muslim women's

aurat in his popular blog (Malaysia today). Source

RAJA PETRA WROTE :In the article there was a sentence stating: "Apparently, thetudung was 'decreed' for only the Prophet's wives and not for all women..." So I'vehave looked into the Quran and found some things.

"O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to drawtheir cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that theymay be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful." Surah Al-

Ahzab (33), verse 59. Comment : Firstly, see the words 'so that they may be recognised and notannoyed'. This means at least the face must be visible. It is wrong to say that other women at thattime (non Muslim Arabs, Jews, Christians) did not wear the tudung. The truth is that the Jewish

and Christian women wore far more conservative tudung than the Muslim women.

Covering the body is also required of men and women in the desert. It has nothing to do with anyreligion. So when the verse says 'so that they may be recognised' it actually means the womenshould not cover their face or head in such a way that the people cannot differentiate them fromother Christian and Jewish women who also wear tudung and veils. This means there is no suchthing as a tudung to cover your head and face.

The verse 33:59 says the following in Arabic:

Ya ayyuhan nabi : O you prophet

qul li-azwajika wabanaatika : tell your wives, your daughters

wa nisaa i mu'mineena : and the believing women

yudneena : to lengthen

Alayhinna : over them

min jalabeebihinna : from their garments/cloaks.

There is absolutely NO mention of head or hair or face in this verse. There is no reference totudung. The reference is to lengthen your garments over your body. This means women must dress

decently.

UZAR'S COMMENT

Unfortunately, you have misinterpret the verse and understanding it out of its context, i assumedthat's because you are not examining the whole structure of the verse, besides i think you did not

posses adequate knowledges to do so, or maybe you are also very busy with your sumpahdeclaration and malaysian politic issues.
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In reality, as a servant of Allah SWT and the follower of Rasulullah SAW, we are taught to alwayscome back to Al-Quran and Al-Hadith to obtain assurance about the permissibility of a matter.Regarding this, Allah SWT said:-

"O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw theircloaks (veils) all over their bodies. That will be better, that they should be known (as a freerespectable MUSLIM women) so as not to be molested. "(Al-Ahzab: 59)

It is agreed unanimously by ulama that every verse that is revealed to our prophet Muhammads.a.w is also intended to Muslim except defined otherwise by our Prophet either in his hadis or byother quranic verses. For example: our prophet has more than four wives at a time, it is called"Khususiyat anbiya" which we are not allowed to follow due to Allah's will and many other logical

reasons.

Therefore, in this case, covering aurat including head, hair, neck and chest is strongly commandednot only for prophet's wives but also to all muslim women. It is not just an Arab's custom due to thesandy desert, but it is indeed a religious commandment. It is also very obvious stated in the above

verse where it is mentioned :

Meaning : "the women of the believers"

Therefore whoever claims they are muslim, they are obliged to uphold and stick to the decree inthe verse.

Jilbab is a dress (of similar width to baju kurung') worn by women to cover their bodies. Syeikh DrYusof Al-Qaradawi explained that when some women during the Jahiliah period left their houses,they loved to display some parts of their beauty such as the chest, neck and hair until they werebeing harassed by those wicked men who like to commit zina.

Then, the verse above is revealed to command Muslim women to EXTEND (and not only) their jilbabso that the parts that could lead to fitnah will be covered. In this way, they would be identified aswomen who are protected (afifah) and a true MUSLIM WOMEN. As a consequence, they would notbe molested.

The above verse elucidates that covering the aurat is an emblem of a Muslim. Allah SWT also said:


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"And anyone who honours the symbols set up by God [shall know that] verily, these [symbols derivetheir value] from the God-consciousness in the [believers'] hearts " ( Al-Haj : 32 )

Therefore, the main reason (illah) for the above ruling is to prevent Muslim women from beingmolested by wicked men. Attires that display women's beauty or women walking and talking in aseducing manner could arouse a man's sexual desire. Such behavior is an indirect invitation to themale for teasing and molestation. (Adapted from kitab Al-Halal wal Haram fil Islam with slightmodification)

It's also WRONG to say that "so that they may be recognised and not annoyed' mean face must bevisible in order to be recognized.

Firstly : Is it acceptable to say that we can only recognised a women by looking at her face? Ofcourse not, we can easily recognized them by many other ways, either by listening to her voice or

many other things besides her face.

Secondly : Most of the Jahiliyyah womens are not wearing tudung at all and some of them wearingimproper veils.( Refer Tafsir Ibn Kathir, 3/285). It is also stated clearly in the hadith narrated byAbu Hurairah, Rasulullah s.a.w. said:

"Two are the types of the denizens of Hell whom I did not see: (1) people having flogs like thetails of the ox with them and they would be beating people (unjust rulers); (2) the women whowould be dressed but appear to be naked, who would be inclined (to evil) and make othersincline towards it. Their heads would be like the humps of the bukht camel inclined to one side.They will not enter Paradise and they would not smell its odour whereas its odour would besmelt from such and such distance"(Narrated by Muslim, Sohih).

The JAHILIYYAH womens are said to wear attire but is still naked because they do have cloth ontheir body but it does not cover the aurat because it is transparent and exposes their skin; like thewearing of many women today. (Al-Halal Wal Haram Fil Islam, Dr Yusof Al-Qaradawi)

Bukhtun' in the hadith is a type of camel that has a big hump. Women's hair looks like the hump ofa camel when it is pulled and tangled over their head. This shows that Jahiliyyah womens are notcovering their head and hair. As for Christian and jews womens who you said wore tudung also atthe time of prophet Muhammad s.a.w, you have to provide evidences on that. Besides, do you surehow Christian women exact attire in Mekkah and medina at that time?, Jewish people are too smallto take into account and yet we don't know what are their tudung types. The most important,whatever types of thier tudung, we msulim has our own tudung with certain standards andconditions and it is a religious commandment.

Although the hadith was revealed thousand years ago, the Prophet s.a.w. was able to warn us ofwhat would happen now. Today there are various saloons that set hair for women with million typesof fashion and sadly men are the hair setter at most of these saloons.

RAJA PETRA WROTE :

2) "And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of theiradornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not toreveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands' fathers, or their sons ortheir husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters' sons, or their women, or

their slaves, or male attendants who lack vigour, or children who know naught of women'snakedness. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment.

And turn unto Allah together, O believers, in order that ye may succeed." Surah An-Nur (24), verse

31.

Raja Petra Comment : Again there is no mention of head (ru'usa) in this verse or face

(wujuh/wajh). Please note the words 'draw their veils over the bosoms'. The arabic is as follows:

walyadribna : and strike / cover

bi khumurihinna : with their outer garments

Ala : over / upon

juyoobihinna : their bosoms / breasts


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Women are told to cover their chests/bosoms/breasts. That is all. This tallies with the earlierverse 33:59 above where the women are told to lengthen their clothes/garments. There is

absolutely no mention of head (ru'usa), face (wujuh) or hair.

UZAR'S COMMENT FOR NUMBER 1 & 2 :

Raja Pete, it is very obvious that you are not analyzing the verse properly. Your simplistic

interpretation is incorrect again, Almighty Allah has said :-

Meaning : And tell the believing women to lower their veil and to be mindful of their chastity, and

not to display their charms [in public] beyond what may [decently] be apparent thereof..

So you look Pete, why are you only focusing on some words of the verse and didn't give properattention to the others. You have translated Al-Khumur' wrongly, as that because of your harfiah(word by word)translation and harfiah understanding also, that kind of translation cannot help youin understanding the word correctly. The "al-Khumur" word will provide you the answer on your owncreated question and false assumption which you said : "There is absolutely NO mention of head or

hair".

The true meaning of khumur (veil) is anything that is used to cover the head. Meanwhile juyub'(the plural form of jaibun) is the curvature of the breast that is not covered with cloth. Thereforeevery woman must cover not only their head but also their chest including their neck and ears andall other parts that may lure a male.

In order to understand Quranic text correctly, he/she must comprehend and find the exact usage ofterminologies and words in Arabic language. A person should also know how a term or word is beingused in the Arabic community because Quran is using Arabic language. Therefore it is good to haveknowledge on conservative Arab's (especially at the time of prophet s.a.w) way of life beforehe/she can get the true intended meaning; For this reason, we must refer to the tafseerbook bygreat Muslim scholars to avoid ourselves from false impression.

That's also why it's better for those who wish to learn Islam in depth to pay a visit to Arabiccountries in order to get some feels and get used to the usage of certain word by contemporaryArabs, it can give you some more clue in order to understand Arabic language in the Quran.

When Allah swt said "Khumurihinna" , so we must know, in a standard Arabic language what does itmean by "khumur", so the answer is veil which cover their head, hair, ear etc and then, when aperson said "khumur" in front of knowledgable arab person, what he will understand?. Of course, its a veil also. This fact has been told by many great classic Muslim scholar like Imam At-Tabarii( died 301 H) in his famous tafseer book Jami al-Bayan and also Imam Ibn Katheer . (Tafsir At-

Tabari, 18/120 ; Tafsir AL-Quran Al-'Azim, 3/285))

Besides the khumurwhich is a veil which covers the women head, andjuyub which covers womens'neck, breast and chest, the verse also stress on :-

Meaning : that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily)

appear thereof"..

Do you understand what beauty and ornaments' means in this verse?

According to Syeikh Dr Yusof Al-Qaradawi, the adornment mentioned in the above verse refers toanything that is worn to beautify oneself; either natural beauty like face, hair and body; ormanmade beautification like dress, embellishment, make-up and others.

In the above verse, Allah commanded women to conceal the adornment without any exemption.However, the exemption was "what is apparent". The scholars therefore have differences in opinionabout the meaning and extent of "what is apparent" but all of them agreed unanimously that hairand head are included.

That is due to the following hadith :-


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Is it a sound argument? Is it true that the external appearance does not matter in Islam? Some ofthem are even one step ahead in their arguments that they reason with the meaning of anauthentic hadith of the Prophet, which is:

"Verily Allah does not look at your physical being, your outer appearance nor your wealth,but He looks at your heart and your deeds" (Narrated by Muslim).

I feel sorry and dishearten looking at those who when arguing, easily throw out hadith in supportingtheir whims; indeed, they only utilize Islam in the matter that bring benefits to them.

An employee was caught playing game during working hours by his employer while he has yet toprepare the document requested by him. The employer thus said, "How are you going to excel inyour carreer if this is your attitude towards work."

The employee responded, "You may see me outwardly as playing games but my heart is sincere andI performed my duty excellently."

Do you think that the employer believe in what his employee had said? Does Allah consider one'sheart as pure and good through disobeying His commandments?

Indeed, something is only regarded as pure and good by measuring it with the scale of Allah and HisRasul, and not merely with the scale of our minds. If we refer to the scale of Islam, the Prophet

SAW had said which means:"Beware, in the body there is a piece of flesh; if it is sound, the whole body is sound and if it is

corrupt the whole body is corrupt, and hearken it is the heart" (Narrated by Muslim)

Based on this hadith, Islamic scale necessitates that the purity of one's heart is apparent in its firststage, which is one's actions. It means that when one's actions always transgress against thecommandments prescribed in Islam, it signifies the filth of one's heart. On the other hand, if theexternal actions submit to the commandment of Islam, thus it should be considered as good in thefirst stage, which is the external scale of lay people. Nevertheless, the second stage, which iswhether one's intention is for seeking Allah's pleasure or for things such as showing off, we shouldleave the judgment only to Allah.

Therefore, we can judge a book by its cover in certain cases, such as in the case when thefundamentals of Islam are being transgressed; the cover is consequently reflecting what is insidethe heart of a person.

Judging based on that which is apparent, does go along with the hadith:

, , , , ,

Which means: "Verily I am only a human being, and you always presented arguments for me tosolve. It may be that some of you are better in presenting argument than others. Therefore, I giveout rulings based on what I have heard only. He, for whom I have made a ruling that violates therights of the other party (due to the lack of skill of the person in presenting argument), does nottake it. For verily, it will be for him a slice from the slices of hellfire" (Narrated by Abu Dawood,At-Tirmidzi and others; Refer Naylul Awtar, 8/632, no 3920).

This hadith clearly shows that a judge in Islam will give a ruling based on the information and theevident proofs presented to him. Similarly, in the case of covering aurat, if one reveals the aurat, itis a sign of transgression against Allah's commands. Thus, how would it be possible for this kind ofheart to be perceived as a sound heart in Islam?

Women should realize that when the aurat is not covered properly, every single man who looks at itwill be held accountable for every single gaze. The woman, on the other hand, is not going to beheld accountable for that one sin merely; rather she will be held accountable for all the gazes frommen that fell on her aurat. Just imagine how sinful she is for revealing the aurat only in one day.This is based on the Prophet's word:

Which means: "Whosoever initiates a wrongdoing, upon him are a sin and the sin of every single

person who does it without his sin being reduced even a little..." (Narrated by Ahmad and others-Authentic)


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Included in the meaning of intiating is that someone intiates the revealing of her aurat in that daycausing the man who looks at her to be held accountable. In fact, the woman herself is sinful forevery single eye that sets on her aurat. Would this type of heart be considered as pure? Aftermountains of sins had rusted it?

Verily Allah is All Just and the Most Merciful. Rush towards Allah's love and mercy by obeying Him.For those who are hardhearted, no words can be shared except; be certain that Allah is true, HisRasul is true, and Paradise and Hellfire are true. If believe in them, why are the actions speakotherwise?

Thanks for you time.

Regards,. Read more!

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Reply to Observer in Malaysia Today pt 2

Continuation of my reply to the article "Replying ANTI ANTI Hadeeth ".

This Observer dude is also trying to confuse the Arabic behind the verse An-Nur 31.Observer says:

You say that the 'khumur' is a cloth used to cover the head. Then you say that this samecloth must be pulled over the chest. If the women are required to do this, then along the waythere is someting called their 'face' which is located between the head and the chest.The way I see it, human face IS located between their heads and chest. What are u rantingabout here, Observer?Observer is trying to change the meaning of the Quran as well. He says:

Since you talk about grammar and arabic language, the subject of this statement is

covering over the breasts (ala juyubihinna) or 'tutup dada'. Dont twist the grammar ok.Noticed that he wants to deny COMPLETELY the fact that An Nur:31 INSTRUCTS thecovering of Juyub(cleavages) with Khumur/Khimar (head cover). After trying to cloudand confuse the explanation by going ring around the rosy, Observer finally comes to thisconclusion. And how does he do it? He denies the part Walyadrib bikhumur in An Nur:31Observer depicts the trait of a classic loser. When cornered, change the rule of the game. Inshort, the man is as confused as a monkey in a library.And the explanation provided by Quinary is much more elegant and steeped in intellectualtradition. Observe:

My response :

This depends largely on what is the interpretation of the word khumur. I am not sure whetherthis friend of Raja Petra speaks Arabic (which I am quite sure this anonymous friend of hishas no arabic knowledge), but one thing not highlighted is the fact that khumur (the pluralword of khimar) means something to cover, and what was normally referred to as head cover(tudung). The classical arabic dictionary, aqrib al-mawarid defines khimar as :"all such pieces of cloth which are used to cover the head. It is a piece of cloth which is usedby a woman to cover her head."

Imam Abu'l-Fida ibn Kathir said: "Khumur is the plural of khimar which means somethingthat covers, and is what is used to cover the head. This is what is known among the people asa khimar."
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So linguistically, khimar does not only mean something to cover, it is commonly used at thattime to refer to head cover (tudung). So now we can see that khimar can be used as :

1. A piece that covers2. Something specifically used to cover the head / head cover / tudung

Observer also demonstrate his confusion about Al Hadeeth. He asks:

Secondly you are accusing people of being anti hadeeth. Can you please explain exactlywhat you mean by 'anti hadeeth' ? Which hadeeth are you talking about? Do you have acomplete collection of all the hadeeth? Is there such a thing as a complete collection ofhadeeth in the first place? Please be honest. My friends at IKIM are still resolving that thehadeeth collections of Abu Dawud and Ibn Majah are incomplete. Tell me how can anyonereject something that is incomplete?Anyone and their uncle knows the meaning of Al Hadeeth and Anti Hadeeth. Go back toSekolah Rendah Agama and learn the meaning. You mustve missed that part way back whenyou were in Sekolah Agama.

As for IKIM collection of Abu Dawud and Ibnu Majah, its really weird as the collection has

been confirmed a long time ago and there is hardly any issue. Maybe the IKIM people are notreally competent OR Observer just dont understand what the IKIM people are doing. Iwould bet on the latter.

Next, Observer asks about the meaning of Jumhur Ulama. He says;About khimar you say "Jumhur ulama' picked the second definition as the correct one."What do you mean by jumhur ulama? Please tell us EXACTLY (I really mean EXACTLY)how many ulama were involved in deciding on this particular jumhur. What were theirnames? Who classified them as ulama? What were the names (EXACTLY) of the people whoclassified these ulama as ulama? ont simply say 'Jumhur ulama' to mislead the people. Giveus the EXACT details of the ulama as well as their jumhur.The reason why Observer ask stupid question like this is because he doesnt know whatJumhur Ulama is but hes already rejecting it.The simple explanation is jumhur means majority or most. In other words, in a specificissue, scholars or ulama will comment on the issue or problem and majority of them supportsa specific outcome.Its been in existence for a long time. And we refer to the books or opinions expressed orally.Its not a big problem at all except for ignoramus like Observer.. Read more!

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An Observer that is not so Observant: A Reply to Article inMalaysiaToday (pt 1)

A person by the name of An Observer commented on an article I posted entitledAnswer on MTODAY Article on Tudung from Quinary". An apparently, it ispublished in the anti Islam website, MalaysiaToday. Why I say he is not observant is

because the writer thinks that the article is written by me. He says:

Dear Anti Anti Hadeeth,

Firstly you are NOT a woman. You are lying. You are Abdul Rahman aka Cabearth akaTulang Besi. You are the owner of the website ANTI ANTI HADEETHhttp://antiantihadeeth.blogspot.com/. I do not know why the people like you who claim to be Muslimslike to tell so many lies.
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In truth, it is written by a blogger name Quinary. She wrote her response

entitled Raja Petra's The Great Tudung Debate - My Response. But,because the observer is not so observant, he missed out this fact. I, infact, mention the name Quinary in the title and at the bottom of thearticle.

Second point, the Observer says that :

I believe that you have outdone Imam Ghazali, Imam Syafie, Imam Abu Hanifa, ImamHambali, Imam Maliki, Imam Jabar al Karuti and all the other Imams and ulama becausenone of them has said that whether a woman covers her head or does not cover her head isher personal choice and 'does not affect our aqidah'.My problem with this statement is that it is a lie. If one were to open Imam Syafiees bookAl Umm, clearly he stated the compulsion of wearing hijab for women. In fact, all ofthe Al Imam Al Arbaah ( the four Imam) says states the same fact? Its funny where u get thisnonsense from?Then he went on rambling:

For your information, the ulama say that the hair on the head is considered part of thewoman's aurat. And it is part of the aqidah for a woman to cover her aurat. Since her hair isaurat, then she must cover her hair. And since her hair grows on her head, she musttherefore cover the head. Covering the aurat is definitely part of aqidah. How can you saythat it does not affect our aqidah?Its clear that Observer dont know the difference betweenAqidah andIbadah. The entiresubject ofAurah is not an issue related toAqidah(creed) but it reflect Observers level ofknowledge of Islam.Third, Observer also says refered to an Orientalist from Oxford name Patricia Crone.Observer says that Patrica claims there is not proof of existence of Prophet Mohd Saw

because there is no coin showing the Prophets name. Also, she claims that the people ofKufah prays in the Western direction. Observer also claim that Patricia Crone referred to

books written byIts either Particia is making a false claim or Observer is not very observant. But, its the traitof people like Observer and Raja Petra. Their main reference is Western, Christian andJewish Orientalist. They rely upon these people blindly for their source in understandingIslam. The fact that people like Observer have no ability to understand Arabic confirms thefact that he doesnt refer to scholars of Islam at all except through Western, Christian andJewish Orientalists eyes.Little does people like Observer know, Orientalist contradicts each other. If Patricia Cronesays that Prophet Mohds existence cannot be confirmed, another Orientalist name NabiaAbbott confirms the existence of Al Hadeeth and even linked directly to the Prophet. Nabiasays:[quote]... the traditions of Muhammad as transmitted by his Companions and their Successors were,as a rule, scrupulously scrutinised at each step of the transmission, and that the so called

phenomenal growth of Tradition in the second and third centuries of Islam was not primarilygrowth of content, so far as the hadith of Muhammad and the hadith of the Companions areconcerned, but represents largely the progressive increase in parallel and multiple chains oftransmission.[11][11] N. Abbott, Studies In Arabic Literary Papyri, Volume II [Qur'anic Commentary &Tradition], 1967, University Of Chicago Press: Chicago (USA), p. 2.[/quote]A reference to the article by Patricia Crone shows that she relies heavily on PHYSICAL

EVIDENCE to support her work But, at the same time she didnt study the papyrus ormanuscripts plus various oral traditions that is abundance and great in numbers. It is
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probably because Patricia Crone is not trained enough to read and understand ClassicalArabic and as such she is unable to appreciate the massive and abundance evidence

Now Nabia Abbot chooses to study the abundance of evidence and she confirms the existenceof Prophet Mohd SAW thus making Particia looking like an idiot. In addition, anotherorientalist, J Robson, wrote a book entitled The Isnad of Muslim Tradition actually proving

the soundness of the Isnad system.(End of Part 1)Read more!

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