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http://satuhala.blogspot.com/2014/04/noah-mabuk-liwat-demokrasi-bebalisme.html

Noah : Mabuk, Liwat, Demokrasi Bebalisme dan Hipokrisi Teragung.

Oleh : Imran Haaz

Filem Noah bakal menerjah ke panggung seluruh dunia. Kisah Noah terdapat di dalam

hampir semua lagenda bangsa yang terdapat di dalam dunia. Dalam setiap lagenda

tersebut, kisah banjir besar mengikat tema lagenda-lagenda itu dengan apa yang

berlaku semasa zaman Noah. Epik Atrahasis, Epik Gilgamesh, Sataphata Brahmana,

Tanakh dan sebagainya menyebut tentang sebuah kisah banjir besar yang memulakanpenghidupan manusia yang baru.

Nuach namanya di dalam Tanakh Yahudi. Noah ialah referensi oleh golongan Nasrani

kepadanya. Manu, namanya seperti disebut penganut Sanatana Dharma (agama yang

secara salah disebut sebagai agama Hindu). Islam merujuknya sebagai Nuh a.s.

Baginda figura utama di dalam kisah banjir Nuh.

Dalam setiap epik dan kitab-kitab tersebut, pelbagai sabitan sifat dan perlakuan Nuha.s. diceritakan. Ada yang benar, ada yang ditokok tambah dan ada yang berupa fitnah.

Kita sebagai umat Islam sentiasa menggunakan al Qur’an sebaga Furqan yang

membezakan antara keperibadian Nuh a.s. yang benar dan yang difitnahkan.

Mabuk, Liwat dan Sumbang Mahram

Kita tidak dapat menerima cerita yang dimuatkan di dalam Tanakh dan Talmud Yahudi

yang menyebut Noah, selepas peristiwa banjir tersebut, bermabuk-mabukan dan

lantas tertidur dalam keadaan telanjang bulat sehingga menyebabkan auratnya dapat

dilihat oleh anak-anaknya.

3 orang anaknya di dalam Bible dikenali dengan nama Shem, Ham dan Japeth. Ham

melihat ayahnya terlena di dalam keadaan telanjang. Lalu memanggil kedua adik

beradiknya yang lain untuk melihat keadaan bapa mereka. Apabila bapa mereka

tersedar, maka perbuatan Ham dikutuk bapanya. Dia dan keturunannya disumpah.

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Sumpahan ini digunakan oleh orang-orang Yahudi untuk menunjukkan kenapa

bangsa Canaan yang mendiami Philistine (Palestin) pada zaman Joshua (Yusya’ bin

Nun), perlu dirampas tanah mereka. Ini kerana bangsa Canaan merupakan keturunan

Ham anak kepada Noah.

Apabila manusia mempertikaikan kenapa Ham dan keturunannya disumpah sebegitu

teruk oleh Noah dengan kesalahan melihat aurat bapanya, maka para Rabbi Yahudi

menjelaskan ada perkara lain turut berlaku yang mana ceritanya tidak dimasukkan di

dalam Bible. Ia disebut dalam Talmud Babylonian yang merupakan kitab yang

digunakan oleh golongan Yahudi untuk memahami isikandungan dan hukum hakam

di dalam Torah, Nevi’im dan Ketuvim yang membentuk kitab Tanakh yang dikenali kita

pada hari ini sebagai Kitab Perjanjian Lama (Old Testament).

Dalam salah satu Gemarah (Mishnah) di dalam Talmud Babylonian, mereka

menceritakan perihal Ham yang melakukan sesuatu yang lebih dari melihat kemaluan

bapanya. Para Rabbi Yahudi berpecah kepada dua pendapat mengenai punca

kemarahan Noah. Yang pertama mengatakan, sebaik melihat bapanya yang

kemabukan dan tidak sedarkan diri dalam keadaan memalukan tersebut, Ham

mengembiri bapanya. Yang kedua mengatakan Ham melakukan tindakan berbaur

seksual termasuk meliwat bapanya. Ia disebut di dalam Talmud Sanhedrin 70a.

Berikut, justifikasi untuk pendapat yang kedua. Mereka menjelaskan, apabila

perkataan Vayyara (אר - Dan Dia melihat) digunakan di dalam Genesis fasal 9 ayat 22

seperti berikut :


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Transliterasi Teks :

Vaiyyara Ham Avi Canaan …. (Dan Ham ayah kepada Canaan melihat…)

Menurut mereka, perkataan melihat itu sebenarnya mencadangkan lebih daripada itu.

Para Rabbi Yahudi menjelaskan bahawa maksud ‘Dia Melihat’ turut mencadangkanbahawa Ham melakukan satu tindakan seksual yang tidak berpatutan kepada bapanya.

Hujah mereka, di dalam Genesis fasal 34 ayat 2, terdapat sebuah kisah pencabulan

seorang wanita bernama Dinah di dalam konotasi penggunaan kiasan yang

sama. {Saya pernah menulis tentangnya strategi False Flag terawal dunia yang

melibatkan pemerkosaan wanita bernama Dinah di dalam Taurat. Kaum Yahudi

beriman dengan teknik ini untuk merampas hak dan tanah pihak lain melalui operasi

False Flag di seluruh dunia. Operation Northwoods, Pearl Harbor, Holocaust, Panama,

September 11 dan sebagainya digunakan mereka untuk membunuh orang-orang

sendiri untuk menuduh pihak lain melakukannya. Saya menyebutnya di sini pada 2010

( http://satuhala.blogspot.com/2010/08/ini-palestin-kita.html ) dan pada 2009

( http://satuhala.blogspot.com/2009/11/palestin-sebuah-post-mortem-3.html ) }.

Di dalam Genesis Fasal 34 ayat 2, teks tersebut menyebut perkara berikut:

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golongan majoriti yang menyokong serta membentuk kerajaan. Undang-undang yang

terbentuk adalah cerminan kepada getus rasa dan kehendak golongan majoriti yang

meletakkan pemerintah kepada tempatnya.

Jika mereka tidak tahu menghormati undang-undang yang telah ditegakkan melalui

proses demokrasi, maka tidak perlulah mereka bercakap lagi mengenai demokrasi

kerana mereka terlalu naïf mengenai apa itu yang harus dimengertikan mengenai

demokrasi. Diam itu lebih baik bagi mereka dari bersuara menuntut sesuatu yang tidak

selari dengan prinsip demokrasi yang diimani mereka.

Oleh kerana majoriti umat Islam di negara ini melihat lesen kreatif yang digunakan

Hollywood untuk menerbitkan cereka berkenaan Nuh a.s. yang tidak selari denganNuh a.s. yang diimani mereka, maka melalui prinsip demokrasi, mereka menggunakan

peruntukan undang-undang yang dibuat melalui proses-proses demokrasi untuk

menghalang penghinaan ke atas Rasul Allah yang mulia melalui penayangan filem ini.

Ini adalah sebuah hak yang diiktiraf oleh Deklarasi Hak Asasi Manusia 1948 di dalam

perkara 21 (1) dan (2) di bawah :

Article 29 (1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full

development of his personality is possible.

(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such

limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition

and respect for the rights and freedoms and others and of meeting the just

requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.

Di dalam sebuah penulisan sebelum ini yang bertajuk “Dialog Dengan Timbalan PengarangAkhbar Berbahasa Inggeris’, saya berhujah dengan Timbalan Pengarang tersebut

apabila dia mengatakan saya menekan hak minoriti dengan menuntut konsert

Beyonce dibatalkan. Penulisan tersebut di sini.

(http://satuhala.blogspot.com/2012/05/dialog-dengan-timbalan-pengarang-

akhbar.html)

Hipokrisi Teragung

Kita berasa jelak dengan sikap dan perangai sebahagian besar golongan bukan Islam

di Malaysia ini. Lebih setengah abad Merdeka, mereka masih tidak tahu sertamemahami tentang sensitiviti di dalam hubungan antara masyarakat negara ini.

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Mereka membuat bising dan melolong kepada dunia seolah-olah umat Islam ini terlalu

sensitif dengan agama mereka. Yang menjadi masalahnya ialah bilamana satu jari

ditudingkan kepada orang lain, empat jari lain akan kembali ditudingkan kepadamereka. Mungkin terlupa pesan Bob Marley:

Road of life is rocky, & you may stumble too, while you’re pointing finger someone

else is judging you. Could you be loved? – Could You Be Loved? – Bob Marley.

Benarkah hanya orang Islam terlalu sensitif dengan figura-figura yang dimuliakan di

dalam agama mereka apabila figura tersebut dihinakan manusia lain?

Masih ingat apa tindakan Kerajaan Australia, Timbalan Sherif Tokong Demokrasi

Amerika di Asia, apabila salah seorang rakyatnya, Mary McKillop, diangkat sebagai

Santo oleh Holy See? Mereka mengharamkan sebarang penggunaan namanya di

dalam mana-mana penerbitan bagi menjaga kesucian namanya. Saya menulisnya di

dalam penulisan, ‘Hipokrisi Pelampau Agama’

(http://satuhala.blogspot.com/2014/01/hipokrisi-pelampau-agama.html)

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Masih ingat dengan kisah imej Jesus yang dipotretkan sedang merokok di dalam

akhbar Tamil, Makkal Osai? MCCBCHS (Majlis Perunding Antara Agama Buddha,

Kristian, Hindu dan Sikh) mengutuk tindakan tersebut dan menuntut Kerajaan

mengambil tindakan ke atas akhbar tersebut. Akhbar itu digantung penerbitan selama

sebulan. Saya menulisnya di sini (http://satuhala.blogspot.com/2014/01/hipokrisi-

pelampau-agama-ii.html )

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Masih ingat lagi dengan kes kepala lembu yang dipijak di Shah Alam? Mereka yang

memijaknya mengatakan bahawa mereka tidak bermaksud untuk menghina binatang

yang dimuliakan mana-mana agama. Kepala lembu itu ditafsirkan mereka sebagai

simbolik kepada kepala negeri yang dituduh mereka sebagai bebal kerana tidak faham

sensitiviti umat Islam di kawasan tersebut. Walaubagaimanapun, perkara tersebut

kemudiannya dijadikan isu penghinaan ke atas agama lain kerana isu tersebut

melibatkan pihak Islam dan pihak Hindu tempatan. Isu itu telah dibawa ke mahkamahdan hukuman telah dijatuhkan.

Jadi, bukankah semua perkara ini menunjukkan isu penghinaan ke atas mana-mana

figura yang dimuliakan sesuatu agama itu sebagai satu perkara yang sensitif dan perlu

dielakkan daripada berlaku. Jika bukan Islam yang merupakan minority di negara ini

boleh dan berhak sensitif dan bersuara mengenai penghinaan ke atas agama mereka,

kenapa pula suara orang-orang Islam yang merupakan majority di negara ini mahu

mereka diamkan dan tidak pedulikan di dalam isu Filem Noah ini?

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Semasa isu kepala lembu itu berlaku, MCCBCHS, menuntut supaya satu undang-

undang diaplikasikan terhadap mana-mana bentuk penghinaan ke atas mana-mana

agama. Kita tiada masalah dengan cadangan tersebut dan perkara yang tidak

bertentangan dengan al Qur'an. Dalam al Qur'an surah al An'aam ayat 108, orang-

orang Islam telah dipesankan dengan pesanan berikut :

al An’aam ayat 108 Dan janganlah kamu cerca benda-benda yang mereka sembah yang lain dari

Allah, kerana mereka kelak, akan mencerca Allah secara melampaui batas dengan

ketiadaan pengetahuan. Demikian Kami memperelokkan pada pandangan tiap-

tiap umat akan amal perbuatan mereka, kemudian kepada Tuhan merekalah

tempat kembali mereka, lalu Ia menerangkan kepada mereka apa yang mereka

telah lakukan.

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budaya bebal yang sudah mula meular dan menjalar di dalam masyarakat. Inilah

jadinya apabila golongan Ruwaibidhoh mula bersuara dengan memancarkan

kebebalan mereka untuk ditelan seluruh dunia.

Untuk umat Islam, kita tidak perlu takut untuk mempertahankan kesucian agama kita

kerana berhadapan dengan ancaman manusia-manusia bebal. Kita perlu terus

berusaha dan bersuara mempertahankan kesucian agama kita. Kita digaji Allah dengan

bayaran syurga untuk melakukan perkara ini.

Teringat bait lirik nasyid dari kumpulan Nadamurni satu ketika dulu..

Berjuang memang pahit, kerana syurga itu manis..

Wallahua’lam.

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.. Hmmmنور لنتص ر

April 6 at 4:42pm · Like · 1

Ibn Haram islam agama untuk lelaki . ada cerita kenapa untuk lelaki..


Tahir Rawther even dalam kitab hanya menerangkan ganjaran untuk lelaki..

kenapa tidak wanita? lol (cerita tentang bidadari syurga itu ini)


Agama untuk smua lelakiنور لنتص رApril 6 at 4:46pm · Like

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Tahir Rawther agama dengan interpretasi yang berat sebelah dan patriaki..


Ibn Haram cerita bermula dari mitos agama kannan( nenek moyang

yahudi)...ishtar bertukar jadi lilith...zaman dulu ada agama untuk perempuan

jugak.... macam tamadun ada naik turun , macam tu jugak agama.. macam adat

temenggung dan pepatih...


Tahir Rawther kan.. even yahudi pon recently ada feminist movement.. perhaps all

the abrahamic religion are trying to equalize the gender.. - to de-gender the

interpretation of religion..

If Yahudi sekarang ada female rabbi. I wonder what progress would the muslim

community makes?


Ibn Haram tak boleh nak tukar ... sebab chauvinism tu ada dalam core

ajaran...kalau nak reform pun banyak kerja nak buat...

(sorry campur2 bahasa)


Tahir Rawther tapi ada la cabang-cabang yang dah buat movement penukaran

tu.. tapi it will never be accepted as a mainstream religion anyway.. in the orthodoxy

those who "deviated" are lost.. heh.


Ariff Shah Tahir kitab mana. Nenek moyang ko. Keturunan ko semua org baik.

Kenapa nak jadi truelies pulak. Pelik betul korang ni.April 6 at 4:54pm · Like

Tahir Rawther ??? ni dah kenapa Ariff ni. jangan membabi buta boleh?


Ibn Haram cabang2 tu boleh nak buat reform... tapi kena mengaku

agama/fahaman baru...tak boleh nak mengaku sama darah dengan mainstream...

kena buat baru macam sikhism dan bahai.. tu baru betul...bagi aku


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Ariff Shah Tahir . Babi buta atau celik . Babi tetap babi. Babi ada mission dia.

Maksud aku tahir. Ko ni dari keturunan yg baik. Kenapa ko buka kerja ni.

April 6 at 4:56pm · Like

Tahir Rawther hmm.. sikhism dan bahai ada essence Islam.. but they're not Islam

per se..


Ibn Haram yes...kena buat macam tu Tahir Rawther...reform evolution terus..dan

buat sistem baru...organized religion.


Tahir Rawther yeck. organized religion. T_T.


Ibn Haram itulah hakikat


Tahir Rawther how about the like of Tariq Ramadhan, Reza Aslan, Amina Wadud,

Irshad Manji, etc.. ? Yang cuba reform agama untuk jadi lagi progressive?

you said agama pon ada evolusi.. kenapa tidak Islam? Even if we studied history..

there were changes here and there.. the separation of two -- to become shia Ali

and Shia Ais'ya and then become the Shia and the Sunnis, the Mutazillah and the

Khawarij, The Sufi and the Salafi, the universalist and the absolutist.. herm


Mércy Duhann Iman tu kan tak boleh diwarisi. Iman tu mesti dicari. Mana boleh

guna "keturunan" untuk dijadikan point bahas. Tak logic. I'm proud of Terry for his

open mind. Nak terima apa2 kena kaji dulu, tak boleh mati mati main angguk

sahaja.


Ariff Shah Aku nampak semangat korang memang bagus. Ramai manusia dari

zaman dinosaur sampai milinium ni cuba buat agama baru. Kesudahan nya.


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Tahir Rawther either he was talking about my bloodline, or the generalization that

we're all muslim so we shouldn't talk like this Mércy Duhann..


nنور لنتص ر

Kaligrafi

Mereka bertanya kepadamu (wahai Muhammad), mengenai (hukum) berperang

dalam bulan yang dihormati katakanlah: "Peperangan dalam bulan itu adalah

berdosa besar, tetapi perbuatan menghalangi (orang-orang Islam) dari jalan Allah,

dan perbuatan kufur kepadaNya, dan juga perbuatan menyekat (orang-orang

Islam) ke Masjid Al-Haraam (di Mekah), serta mengusir penduduknya dari situ,

(semuanya itu) adalah lebih besar lagi dosanya disisi Allah. Dan (ingatlah), angkarafitnah itu lebih besar (dosanya) daripada pembunuhan (semasa perang dalam

bulan yang dihormati). Dan mereka orang-orang kafir itu) sentiasa memerangi

kamu hingga mereka (mahu) memalingkan kamu dari ugama kamu kalau mereka

sanggup (melakukan demikian) dan sesiapa di antara kamu yang murtad (berpaling

tadah) dari ugamanya (ugama Islam), lalu ia mati sedang ia tetap kafir, maka orang-

orang yang demikian, rosak binasalah amal usahanya (yang baik) di dunia dan di

akhirat, dan mereka itulah ahli neraka, kekal mereka di dalamnya (selama-lamanya).

2:217

Kaligrafi

Dan jika mereka mencabuli sumpahnya sesudah mengikat perjanjian setia, dan

mereka pula mencela ugama kamu, maka perangilah ketua-ketua dan pemimpin-

pemimpin kaum yang kafir itu, kerana sesungguhnya mereka tidak menghormati

sumpah janjinya, supaya mereka berhenti (dari kekufuran dan bertaubat).

9:12

Detail Surat At-Taubah Ayat 12

و ن dan jika

كثا mereka merusak

م sumpah/janji mereka

dari

ب sesudah

عهم janji mereka

وطا dan mereka mencerca

في

didalam

دكم

agamamuفقتا

maka perangilah

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ئة

pemimpin-pemimpin

الكر

kafir

م

sesungguhnya mereka

tidak ada

sumpahلم

bagi mereka

لم

supaya mereka

تن

mereka berhenti

Tp ...adakah perang itu bermaksud bunuh?


Ariff Shah Kat malaysia tuhan harun pun masuk hospital.


Dan adakah dy tu murtad? Sedangkan tiada baiah untuknya bertauhidنور لنتص ر

pd allah?


Mércy Duhann Kenapa tak boleh cakap macam ini? Islam menggalakkan

bahas/menggunakan akal yang dikurniakan Allah swt. Kalau tak fikir/kaji macam

mana nak tahu yang mana betul yang mana bid'ah.April 6 at 5:04pm · Like · 4

Tahir Rawther bagi aku gadis tu (kalau betul la gadis di gambar tu) sedang

memberontak tentang ketidak adilan cara Islam di interpretasikan, dan di

laksanakan.. come on lah, tengok JAKIM, tak kisah pon isteri tak bagi kata putus..

suami boleh je kahwin lain tanpa izin, isteri kena patuh tanpa persoal, suami boleh

pukul etc.


Ariff Shah Korang atau group korang ada percaya kqewujudan iblis dan syaitan

tak.


Tahir Rawther ini group atheist, kau faham tak apa maksud atheism?


Mércy Duhann I personally do.April 6 at 5:06pm · Like

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17/60

Ibn Haram Tahir Rawther...tokoh2 yang kau cakap tu, bagi aku manusia tak jujur

(maaf tak sependapat dengan kau).. tokoh2 yang kau cakap tu , aku tak boleh

masuk... sebab benda dah nyata dalam helaian2 kertas arab... kalau nak ikut , ikut

semua...kalau nak tafsir takwil sampai 1 ayat 10 muka surat bagi aku , baik tafsir

buku doraemon....aku boleh tafsir buku doraemon untuk menjadi panduan moral

manusia juga...contohnya doraemon menolong rakan2nya...boleh dijadikan moral...

itu jer


[ [1نور لنتص ر

Yaa, Siin.

[2]

Demi Al-Quran yang mengandungi hikmat-hikmat dan kebenaran yang tetap

kukuh,

[3]

Sesungguhnya engkau (wahai Muhammad adalah seorang Rasul) dari Rasul-rasul

yang telah diutus,

[4]

Yang tetap di atas jalan yang lurus (ugama Islam).

[5]

Al-Quran itu, diturunkan oleh Allah Yang Maha Kuasa, lagi Maha Mengasihani,

[6]Supaya engkau memberi peringatan dan amaran kepada kaum yang datuk

neneknya telah lama tidak diberikan peringatan dan amaran; sebab itulah mereka

lalai.

[7]

Demi sesungguhnya, telah tetap hukuman seksa atas kebanyakan mereka, kerana

mereka tidak mahu beriman.

[8]

Sesungguhnya Kami jadikan (kesombongan dan keengganan mereka tunduk

kepada kebenaran sebagai) belenggu yang memberkas kedua tangan mereka kebatang leher mereka; (lebarnya belenggu itu) sampai (menongkatkan) dagu

mereka lalu menjadilah mereka terdongak.

[9]

Dan Kami jadikan (sifat tamak dan gila mereka kepada harta benda dan pangkat

itu sebagai) sekatan (yang menghalang mereka daripada memandang kepada

keburukan dan kesingkatan masa dunia yang ada) di hadapan mereka, dan sekatan

(yang menghalang mereka daripada memikirkan azab yang ada) di belakang

mereka (pada hari kiamat). lalu Kami tutup pandangan mereka; maka dengan itu,

mereka tidak dapat melihat (jalan yang benar).

[10]

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18/60

Dan (dengan sebab itu) sama sahaja kepada mereka, engkau beri amaran atau

engkau tidak beri amaran kepadanya - mereka tidak akan beriman.

[11]

Sesungguhnya peringatan dan amaran (yang berkesan dan mendatangkan faedah)

hanyalah yang engkau berikan kepada orang yang sedia menurut ajaran Al-Quranserta ia takut (melanggar perintah Allah) Ar-Rahman semasa ia tidak dilihat orang

dan semasa ia tidak melihat azab Tuhan. Oleh itu berilah kepadanya berita yang

mengembirakan dengan keampunan dan pahala yang mulia.

Bgaimana allah ajar muhamad untuk bertindak pd org yg ingkar?


Ariff Shah Tahir . Atheist ada brp maksud pulak


Mércy Duhann Agama mana sekalipun yang mendoctrinekan nya tu lelaki, jadi

pasti logically speaking patriachy will overcome the essence of the religon itself.


Tahir Rawther ah i see.. but that is to you , saudara Ibn Haram, you assumed them

to not be honest to themselves.. but perhaps they are.. they're sure that they trying

to do the best about Islam.. and they felt that the Islam had been interpretedwrongly and been done wrongly..


Tahir Rawther Aku bukan atheist, aku pantheist. kau tanya atheist la.


Ibn Haram bagi aku , nak evolusi agama boleh... tapi nak evolusi agama kena

evolusi sumber sekali... dan jalan paling mudah , buat agama baru... kalau

bergantung kepada tafsiran , balik2 balaghah lepas tafsiran sahabat maksum,lepas

tu tafsiran imam2 , lepas tu masuk tabiien....1 ayat 100 makna... hmmmmmmmm


Tahir Rawther Religion since beginning isn't patriarchy.. semenjak munculnya

Abrahamic religion dengan patriarchal interpretation and conduct yang macam

lebih mementingkan lelaki dari wanita.. well, general speaking ofcourse. Ada je

exception here and there.


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19/60

Ariff Shah Korang nak pikir pasal ketuhanan pasal kejadian manusia pun saintis

saintis do pecah kepala nak pikir mcm mana jadi.


Tahir Rawther Ibn Haram ok I see what you mean.. perhaps they are still thought

that there might be some truth in those sayings.. sebab tu they don't let go and

they don't create a new religion.. just a new reformation of religion..


Tahir Rawther but to me, like you had said before Ibn Haram, religion does

influence each other.. how Shia influence the sunni and vice versa, how the the

Zoroastrianism and Judaism, Christianity and Islam ada similarity.. ehmv.


Ibn Haram buat macam sikhism terus...belajar guru granth sahib...lelaki

perempuan sama...gay tak disebut haram atau halal...semua agama menuju tuhan

( jadi takde dakwah )....kejadian alam pun tak dibagitahu...tak pernah claim to be

perfect... Guru Nanak lagi genius dari momet...cuma aku tak setuju dengan khalsa...

kau boleh refer sikhism..


Tahir Rawther oh the five thing tu, the comb, the sword thing tu kan?April 6 at 5:14pm · Like · 1

Hasnah Ismail budak ni kena sabotage. Yang buat entry tu adalah admin Joyah

dari MMS.


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Mércy Duhann I watched a dialogue presented by Hamza Yusuf. I like his way of

representing the evolution of Islam. He said that what we need, (semantic

explanation here) is not a REFORMATION of the religion, but a RENOVATION. Islam

already has all the "furnitures", but now as the time goes by we need to move some

things over, "re-arrange", re-evaluate some of its points (in importance) as so it isrelevant with contemporary times.


Tahir Rawther jadi ada orang yang guna gambar gadis yang tak berdosa dan

ambil post MMS untuk attack .. but attack whom actually?


Ariff Shah Tahir. Satu kesilapan besar pempuan hanya patuh jalan allah. Kalau

pempuan tu dianaiyai. Pempuan tu boleh minta cerai kat mahkamah ok. Tak kan le

suami suruh bini melacur bini dia taat. No such thing in quran


Hasnah Ismail Tahir Rawther i dunno, tapi itu adalah entri dari salah seorang dari

admin MMS yang bernama Joyah


Tahir Rawther I see.. thanks Hasnah Ismail for the clarification.. atleast we knownow that its not the girl that done that.. thought the question still lingers .. this post

adalah untuk attack muslims or to attack murtadin/atheist? hmmmm


Ariff Shah Joyah tu pengikut sigmund freud sex maniac


Balik2 depa rujuk hadis palsu..hmmmنور لنتص رApril 6 at 5:18pm · Like · 2

Mmg ler jd bingaiنور لنتص ر


Tahir Rawther hadis palsu dan dhoif menjadi mainstream nowadays anyway.. 73

golongan? pffts..


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21/60

.. Macam haremنور لنتص ر


Ibn Haram bagi aku, quran pun sama leaked jugak....karangan2 dalam quran koyak

dan tampal dari yahudi pharisee yang ada di tanah arab pada waktu itu...sebab

qoran ada cerita pengaruh talmud....

Sidi Habibi... come to me baby


Ibn Haram hadith sampai bila2 nak kaji balik... berapa ulama' dah buat kajian

balik... ada jer ini tak kena, itu tak kena....sheikh naserudin Al-bani pun ada buat

penilaian semula...di Malaysia, dr kassim ahmad..


Tahir Rawther Ibn Haram well usually the Islamic justification is that the Nasaran

and the Jews are the people of the book, they have been revealed of the same truth

kekdahnya.. but I've seen the different between the Medina verses and the Mecca

verses.. how Muhammad or Allah seems to change the tone on how to treat the

"kufar" and the "people of the book" .. atleast, based on the orthodox

interpretation..


Tahir Rawther tapi sayang, even Kassim Ahmad yang buat kajian dan reject 60% ?

ke 40%.. of the hadith pon dah jadi ancaman untuk Malaysia lel.


Ibn Haram cerita mekah dan madinah , kita dapat tahu macam bipolar pun

ada...sebenarnya, panjang nak cerita , tak mungkin aku keluar semua...hmmm... asas

ceritanya bermula dari penulis quran yang tak faham mitos agama israel dan sangat

jahit tentang tradisi semitic...sebagai contoh, injil tu sebenarnya tak ada...memang

tak ada asli atau original...bawak kelua injil barnabas la, injil judas la... sebenarnya

mmg takde!...kalau kaji pembukuan injil...memang dapat tahu bukan dari

tuhan...panjang nak cerita ni...nanti tunggu ada mood..


Tahir Rawther sure, perhaps we could create a topic nanti ; Theology is

Anthropology. We talk about how Religion/Gods seems to have connection to one

and another..


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